Curse

Scarlett Romanov · Aug 08, 2008, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Whats this "cryer" build that folks keep mentioning? I know it envolves COP, but what are the rest of the skills?

DarkGanni · Aug 08, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

One of the other skills I think its Arcane echo. Thats far as I know >.<

- Ganni

mastar of warrior · Aug 08, 2008, 07:21 PM // 19:21

found this on pvx

[Cryer;OAVSEYDT3g2gLBfA2k1MVVCAA]

Martin Firestorm · Aug 08, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

The best ones I've seen have assassin's promise as your elite, a spammable mesmer hex for CoP like fragility, "finish him" to, you know, finish him, and your choice of additional damage and mainly utility.

Master Mxyzptlk · Aug 08, 2008, 07:47 PM // 19:47

the hex commonly used is mind wrack, I think. Long duration for a small energy cost. then arcane echo with cry of frustration and assassin's promise. maybe something like finish him to help out, and often some extra energy, ether signet got a lot of love because you can ignore its long recharge

Lishy · Aug 08, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Ha ha, so Mesmers, the rejects of PvE, are now the kings of elite areas?

Tyla · Aug 08, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

Cry of Pain is an unlinked skill. So is Ether Nightmare.

As for the "proper build", I think it's something like this:

[cry of pain][ether nightmare][ebon vanguard sniper support][no skill][no skill][no skill][no skill][no skill]

Yes, basically the 5 skills are random.

Magikarp · Aug 08, 2008, 09:04 PM // 21:04

try this..
Ill 12+1+1
FC 8+1
Deadly 10
rest into insp

auspicious incantation
ether nightmare or conjure nightmare
CoP
Wandering Eye
Clumsiness
Finish Him! (or res or Ebon SNYPAR SAPOORT!)
Assassins Promise
Ebon Assassin Support (or res)

this build can hold up even if your Promise gets messed up, which it shouldnt, because as soon as your target get to about 45% hp, cast Promise, then Finish Him! and you'll almost always kill it outright. (in HM, wait till 30%hp). Ebon Sin is amazing and can be spammed with no energy problems thanks to Promise, plus you can Ausp it if you worry too much about those things. Spam CoP nonstop, and stop mob damage with your anti melee.

this isn't a hard bar to run, and its awesome for bosses too seeing as CNightmare is beast degen+kd and damage from Ebon+CoP+anti melee

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Ha ha, so Mesmers, the rejects of PvE, are now the kings of elite areas?

only bad players think mesmers aren't good in pve..

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Cry of Pain is an unlinked skill. So is Ether Nightmare.

As for the "proper build", I think it's something like this:

[cry of pain][ether nightmare][ebon vanguard sniper support][no skill][no skill][no skill][no skill][no skill]

Yes, basically the 5 skills are random.

this is specifically for a mesmer, so that bar is redundant with another CoP mesmer if they bring mesmer hexes (obviously). also, i wouldnt waste your 3rd pve only for Sniper, seeing as 10% chance isnt that great. I'd only take it for Charr and maybe some bosses..

Tyla · Aug 08, 2008, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by Magikarp

only bad players think mesmers aren't good in pve..

Well Mesmers are quite weak in PvE because the heavy shutdown they offer isn't necesary in general and doesn't go too far because of the overall structure of PvE. The only area I would truly want something shut down other than by killing it with immense pressure would be the 3 Ring of Fire Monk bosses.

That is what I like about CoP. The spike itself negates the true need for any Mesmer hex to take it's strength because the enemy would be dead 1 second after the hex has finished casting anyway.

CoP is Grab 'N' Go enough for me for any class.

Magikarp · Aug 08, 2008, 11:49 PM // 23:49

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Well Mesmers are quite weak in PvE because the heavy shutdown they offer isn't necesary in general and doesn't go too far because of the overall structure of PvE. The only area I would truly want something shut down other than by killing it with immense pressure would be the 3 Ring of Fire Monk bosses.

That is what I like about CoP. The spike itself negates the true need for any Mesmer hex to take it's strength because the enemy would be dead 1 second after the hex has finished casting anyway.

CoP is Grab 'N' Go enough for me for any class.

VoR, Clums, Wandering eye, and empathy? that shutdown that kills.. and its all best ran on a mes primary.

Tyla · Aug 08, 2008, 11:54 PM // 23:54

The only thing is, they depend on the enemy to attack. I'd honestly rather fill a party with ranged attackers slap Orders on and do the shit that we use in FoW. I'd even use Curses support skills over them and maybe slap a few of Mesmer damage skills. Cry of Frustration can be ran on any midliner or whatever though. I like that one because it's got an AoE radius and doesn't need attribution to be effective.

I'm not saying they're bad, I'm just saying they're inferior to other choices that we have.

Magikarp · Aug 09, 2008, 12:05 AM // 00:05

attacking is all the AI in pve does though, so to say that that could even be considered a "conditional" effect, is like saying "it only hurts them if they exist" lol. i've never put wandering, clums, or inep on a monster target and them NOT attack through it, and if i did, it was because they died too fast from my follow up of Ebon sin, CoP, and FH!

upier · Aug 09, 2008, 06:19 AM // 06:19

Let's be completely honest here:
If you aren't CoPing with AP it doesn't make sense that you are a mesmer primary. SR works better (plus the necro has access to the insanity that are curses), channeling has Splinter/AR (plus ritus have a hard rez) - so if you aren't using AI then you might as well throw CoP on one of those guys and leave the mesmer out.

Magikarp · Aug 09, 2008, 07:04 AM // 07:04

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Originally Posted by upier

Let's be completely honest here:
If you aren't CoPing with AP it doesn't make sense that you are a mesmer primary. SR works better (plus the necro has access to the insanity that are curses), channeling has Splinter/AR (plus ritus have a hard rez) - so if you aren't using AI then you might as well throw CoP on one of those guys and leave the mesmer out.

back when i very first joined gwg, you were one of the people i respected due to your support of the mesmer class, but you just join the stereotype, bashing everything our primary offers. you can't use runes for our skills, our skills work better on us thanks to fast casting and their skill activations, and there is way more synergy with CoP on a mesmer bar for obvious reasons.. what makes it so hard for people like you to stop using the "well Soul Reapings better" cop-out?

no one cares, or else we would all play ugly, boring, broken ass necros, so just stop mentioning it, we get the point, you guys love to flame us.

i'll take my 90 damage VoR that you can't run, or my Clums/Wandering that's 100% better than what any x/Me could run any day. if you don't like it, fine, but stop making us Me primaries sound like we're a waste of space, when when you play good, it doesnt matter WHAT you play in pve. /end

upier · Aug 09, 2008, 07:26 AM // 07:26

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Originally Posted by Magikarp

no one cares, or else we would all play ugly, boring, broken ass necros, so just stop mentioning it, we get the point, you guys love to flame us.

So you have a chance to use the build that is actually able to compete with other broken crap in this game and then you refuse to run it and run something sub-par instead and then you have the nerve to suggest that "I" am trying to make the class look bad?

njaguar · Aug 09, 2008, 07:30 AM // 07:30

P.S. Buffed Necrosis should replace CoP.

Cryers are Mesmers who deal massive damage based on this skill frame:

Assassin's Promise [instant recharge]
Mesmer Hex [prereq for CoP damage]
Cry of Pain [damage]
Ebon Vanguard Assassin [I heard being a super MM was gud?]
4x random skills, e-management, damage, you choose.

Magikarp · Aug 09, 2008, 07:35 AM // 07:35

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Originally Posted by njaguar

P.S. Buffed Necrosis should replace CoP.

um.. no.

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Originally Posted by upier

So you have a chance to use the build that is actually able to compete with other broken crap in this game and then you refuse to run it and run something sub-par instead and then you have the nerve to suggest that "I" am trying to make the class look bad?

what are you talking about?? nerve to what? i use my broken pve skills just as much as the next guy, including CoP (obviously??), so i have no clue where you're going with this nonsense. you make the class look bad by blatantly calling it crap when its not even welcomed.

btw, if wandering/clums/cop spam is sub par, you may need to find a new game.

upier · Aug 09, 2008, 08:08 AM // 08:08

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Originally Posted by Magikarp

what are you talking about?? nerve to what? i use my broken pve skills just as much as the next guy, including CoP (obviously??), so i have no clue where you're going with this nonsense. you make the class look bad by blatantly calling it crap when its not even welcomed.

btw, if wandering/clums/cop spam is sub par, you may need to find a new game.

Just because a person likes something, it doesn't make it good - and just because a person doesn't like something, it doesn't make it bad.
Unlimited energy is good (well, obviously NOT good for the game itself ...).
It doesn't matter that you find necros to be boring and ugly.
Is wandering/clumsy good?
Yeah it is.
Is it always good?
Well, it doesn't stack (in terms of having 5 people unload Clumsy on the same target) and it works against the favorite caster cookie (SS) - so ... it does have it's issues. (And like SS it actually requires and action from the foe - which makes it sub-par compared to having the chance to just nuke the hell out of the guys.)

Now - as I have stated many times - the (general) mesmer gets the job done in PvE. Pretty much everything does.
But there are specific builds, skills and crappy design choices that do the job better. And CoP is one of those skills. It being an unlinked skill (meaning that you gain as much from it when running on a secondary as you would on a primary) you need a good reason why you run it on something that gets the job done when you can run it on a class that has unlimited energy OR has access to something as insane as Splinter/AR.
The problem is that the mesmer primary doesn't offer you that reason (I mean seriously - there isn't even a MUST have hex to trigger CoP - people just use something that is cast fast and recharges fast!).
What the mesmer does offer is the chance to have CoP (like everyone else) MIXED with another broken skill (AP) - and that combo can only be achieved by going mesmer primary (or Assassin primary for obvious reasons).
That's why running a mesmer primary when it comes to CoP is good.
If on the other hand you can wait out the recharge of CoP - then AP loses it's point and then unlimited energy/Splinter wins.
Because people playing cookies sure as hell don't care that you feel that something is boring or ugly.

guruspack · Aug 09, 2008, 09:27 AM // 09:27

Yesterday I've joined a cryway-team in the amrican-dis of GoA and I was shocked. Now I'm reading this thread an been shocked again. It seems, that my american friends have no idea what cryway is and how to play it.
Cryway isn't to just put in cry in any build an go, it's a teambuild, which consists of two monks, one bip, one tank and four cryers.
One of the cryer is the caller:
[Shared Burden][Arcane Echo][Cry of Pain][Lightbringers Gaze][Wandering Eye][Arcane Conundrum][Edge of Extinction][Mantra of Resolve]
Two Rezzer:
[Ether Nightmare][Arcane Echo][Cry of Pain][Energy Surge][Lightbringers Gaze][Backfire][Shatter Hex][Flesh of my Flesh]
One Golem (for Mallyx):
[Ether Nightmare][Arcane Echo][Cry of Pain][Arcane Mimicry][Lightbringers Gaze][Empathy][Shatter Hex][Animate flesh Golem]
After the enemys are docked on the tank properly, the caller calls the target with the most hp in the mob. Then he hex this foe with the required mesmer-hex. Now it is important the all the cryer spikes in time. When this is done properly all foes are lying on the ground and you can collect the drops

So, plaese stop to bring suche unnecessary skills like meteor shower or AP into a cry team.
I'm hoping to see some good working cry teams in the amraican-districts, too, in the near future.

upier · Aug 09, 2008, 09:53 AM // 09:53

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Originally Posted by guruspack

cryway-team

Thanks for this!
But I am not sure if the OP wanted the cryway build or just a CryMesmer for non-DoA PvE.